i had representative chris van hollen on here yesterday. what about slowly raising the age from the future. getting it into legislation now. people are living longer, the game has changed in terms of this dynamic and the numbers and framework are quite old. he said no way. i will not consider that. what about means testing? what about people who have enough money to not need these benefits? should democrats be open to those two ideas? >> i think they should. certainly raising the age and raising the amount of money past which you contribute to social security. they could raise that. those are good ideas. i don't agree with van hollen on that. >> if you curtail spending people will get less stuff. it will affect the beneficiaries. reform is a cut. let's not lie. these programs are unsustainable. better tell the truth now. >> you can't say the republicans care about deficit reduction if they are not look at ways to enhance revenue. that conversation is over. the republican leader was holding the line on that. >> they could have negotiated yea